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PostSubject: Matt was 13????   Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:28 am

According to Blogtorwho -

The latest issue of UK listings magazine Radio Times includes interviews with current showrunner Steven Moffat, outgoing Doctor Who Matt Smith and actress Jenna Coleman. The latter states that the 2013 Christmas Special, The Time of the Doctor, is a "brilliant episode" and "incredibly emotional" whilst also adding that the new Doctor, Peter Capaldi, "certainly makes an entrance!" Similarly, Matt says that it's the "perfect entrance for him."

Moffat chips in: "We'll find out that Matt Smith is actually the 13th Doctor - although everyone knows that the Doctor can only regenerate 12 times. That 12-times limit is a central part of Doctor Who mythology - and science fiction is all about rules, right? So if the Doctor can never change again, what's Peter Capaldi doing in the Christmas Special?"



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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:53 am

Yeah, Moffat said a while back that the Meta-Crisis Doctor actually counted as a regeneration. And the new cover of the new DWM says the Doctor's on his last life!
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:44 am

Meh, it's well established in Whostory that the regeneration cycle can be reset or transferred from one Time Lord to another, so I'm not bothered.
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:57 am

Moffat lies, and doesn't know what he is talking about half the time.  The only episodes I like in the time he has been showrunner are the ones written by others.   And no, I dont think that all of his shows as writer during the RTD era are all that great, yes they are fun to watch, but the plot holes distract me a lot of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:10 pm

If the Moff truly regards Robert Holmes episodes as gospel, shouldn't Matt be the 21st Doctor?
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:11 am

Calixar wrote:
Meh, it's well established in Whostory that the regeneration cycle can be reset or transferred from one Time Lord to another, so I'm not bothered.

I don't think the interesting thing is that he'll get more lives. Obviously he does, hence Peter Capaldi! The interesting thing (hopefully) will be how they deal with it. Hopefully. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:43 am

It looks to me as if Moffat will likely be handing Doctor Who to someone else before long, so he's quickly checking things off his "to do list."

[X] Stop making the Doctor whine about how he killed all the Time Lords. We get it already.
[X] Bring back Gallifrey.
[  ] Make the Doctor an old man again.
[  ] Explain away the regeneration limit for the Doctor. At least for now.
[  ] Do a big Dalek story.

It looks like the "Matt Smith is really the 13th Doctor" more or less means that the David Tennant to Matt Smith regeneration was his last regeneration, but we've really been counting incarnations. But if you count the Doctor using regeneration energy, then yes, when RTD gave us the Metacrisis/10.5/Handy/Half-Human/single-hearted Doctor, that did count as a regeneration, even though the Doctor didn't change. And now that we've seen "Night of the Doctor" and "Day of the Doctor," we discovered that there was an incarnation between McGann and Eccleston.

^The above paragraph was a sum up for those of you who tuned in late.

If this indeed what Moffat's doing, and we get a new showrunner soon, they'll likely be able to kick off their run using as much or as little from the Classic and New Series as they want.
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:47 am

I thought Matt became the 13th Doctor with the inclusion of John Hurt. But this month DWM cover says meet the 12th Doctor.
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:42 am

Capaldi is still the Twelfth Doctor in regards to branding and in regards to how the character sees himself. Metacrisis regeneration was still "Ten" and Hurt's incarnation and those after him didn't consider him "The Doctor".
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:17 am

But in the name of the Doctor, the Doctor said to Clara he was the last Doctor and that is why he aged.
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:04 pm

He was the last Doctor. But not the 13th Doctor. Smile The War Doctor didn't use the name. Though he was eventually redeemed, he was still the War Doctor. And the 10th Doctor stayed the 10th Doctor, he just used up the regeneration energy to do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:10 pm

Also, outside of the fiction of the character, Peter Capaldi is the 12th actor to star as the Doctor in the series...

...hence, The 12th Doctor.



That's really all there is to it.


He's the 12th actor cast to play the lead character in a show called "Doctor Who."
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:09 pm

To quote the Doctor and Clara's conversation from Time of the Doctor:

Doctor: Everything ends.
Clara: But not you.
Doctor: Haven't you been paying attention? I'm an old man now.
Clara: But you don't die! You change! Pop right back up with a new face.
Doctor: No, not forever. I can change 12 times: 13 versions of me, 13 silly Doctors.
Clara: Okay, so you're number 11...
Doctor: Ha! Are we forgetting Captain Grumpy? I didn't call myself the Doctor during the Time War but it was still a regeneration.
Clara: Okay so you're number 12.
Doctor: Well, number 10 once regenerated and kept the same face; I had vanity issues at the time. 12 regenerations, Clara. I can't ever do it again. This is where I end up. This face. This version of me.
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:18 pm

I dont give a poop to be honest....
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:00 pm

SJA wrote:
I dont give a poop to be honest....

But you gotta' give us a poop! How else will I fertilize my rose garden? I can't do it; I'm all pooped out! Razz 

Sincerely,

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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:44 pm

lol! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Matt was 13????   Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:12 am

Redfern wrote:
SJA wrote:
I dont give a poop to be honest....

But you gotta' give us a poop!  How else will I fertilize my rose garden? I can't do it; I'm all pooped out! Razz 

Sincerely,

Bill


What a poopy thing to say

 lol! 
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