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Rate S7E16: The Time of the Doctor
AMAZING!!
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Okay...
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Crap!
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AWFUL!!
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:58 pm

Ooooh! Very excited!
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:19 pm

Interesting. I'd heard some rumblings that this episode would also have some 50th ties to it, too. Also appropriate that it has the Daleks, as it will air during their Fiftieth Anniversary week.
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PostSubject: Doctor Who 2013 Christmas Special.   Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:32 pm





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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:18 pm

What the frack did Matt say at the end? Can't understand a word he's saying LOL!

Hmm, it looks good, I guess... Better than I thought it might be considering some of the cheesy pictures we've been seeing. It still looks kinda cheesy but not to the extent that I expected.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:51 pm

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What the frack did Matt say at the end? Can't understand a word he's saying LOL!

"If you want my life come and get it!"

Which begs the question - now that Hurt and Meta Crisis both "count" that means Matt's regeneration is nominally the final - and fatal - one.

Maybe he's weaponizing that 'deathrattle'? We saw how explosive (literally) ten to eleven was.

Though the question now is...how do the Daleks know the Doctor? Oswin erased all memory of the Doctor from the Dalek's collective consciousness.

More Time War "refugees" maybe? (Amusingly enough, now that we know what happened in regards to the Moment, I'm comfortable with Daleks popping out of the woodwork.)
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:48 am

Time of the Doctor extended trailer....could that be The Rani???

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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:51 am

would be great if it was the RANI!!!
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:50 am

I would enjoy if it was the Rani, especially after Moffat's little "No one knows who the Rani is" thing. Though I think she has another name.

However, my money's on The Terrible Zodin. ;-)
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:01 am

Why would the Rani be trying to restart the Time War, though? Doesn't seem like her MO.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:08 am

Why, for science, of course!
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:28 am

Rust wrote:
Why would the Rani be trying to restart the Time War, though? Doesn't seem like her MO.

Perhaps not, though to be fair I'm not sure we know enough to know what her MO is (I will cover this planet in a brain! Ha ha!) to really know for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:06 am

Anyone else worried we will be left with more questions than answers?
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:34 am

Rocco wrote:
Anyone else worried we will be left with more questions than answers?

Yes.


That what the Grand Moff does.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:15 pm

I'm not so worried. I think he really wants to close the books on 11. We'll see!
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:54 pm

SeaDevil wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Anyone else worried we will be left with more questions than answers?

Yes.  


That what the Grand Moff does.  

But for NuWho the regeneration's usually start a whole new book. I'm worried this one won't
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:34 pm

That's twice today that I've had to choke down a load of turkey & ham!

AWFUL!
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:48 pm

Just Scott wrote:
That's twice today that I've had to choke down a load of turkey & ham!

AWFUL!

That good then? LOL Smile
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:50 pm

Well on first viewing... That was really, really bad... Lots of random and unnecessary crap. Why didn't Moffat just kill the Doc at the end of a normal story instead of involving all this timey-wimey rubbish and aging him.

To be honest, I understood none of it anyway, so I'm going to have to watch it again to fully formulate an opinion. But, as I said, on first viewing, this wasn't great at all. Only good bit was Capaldi at the end, although I didn't like the fact that his regeneration literally lasted half a second as he *ZAPPED* suddenly into his new body. Oh! I loved Handles, too! I hope he makes a return! Very Happy

Other than that though, very disappointing.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:10 pm

I voted that it was "Okay". It did a decent enough job of tying up the plots of Eleven's run while maintaining a theme of "Ending the Fairy Tale". To that end I was glad to see Amy once more, as she really was the tether to Eleven's mythos.

Problem I had with it was it basically skips over all the haberdashery with The Name of the Doctor. Also it retcons away the Silents completely - even if the Silents we had seen previously were renegades as we were told they were, Clara still should have instinctively tried to kill them when she saw them (Unless we're to assume she's never seen the moon landing).

Finally, it builds up this massive organization - this Church of the Mainframe - while completely ignoring a pre-existing organization in the Shadow Council.

It was definitely grand in scale and ambition (The Time Lords are essentially the Crack) and it ends the Fairy Tale by the Doctor growing old (Love how they made Smith look like Hartnell in the end). It falls flat on the execution. It's just...meh. It ignores its own implied rules involving the Time Lords - that they would be frozen in a instant of time in another universe. But then again, these are masters of space and time so maybe a little leeway is to be expected...but they can control the cracks? I didn't mind the idea that the Time Lords gave the Doctor a brand new set of regenerations - that's been established as something they are very capable of doing - but the crack materializing in the sky? Excessive and pointless.

All in all, I'm glad for it and I'm excited to be moving forward...

"Would you happen to know how to fly this thing?"

...well, in a manner of speaking, I suppose. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:31 pm

But the crack in the sky actually happened.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/06/nasa-finds-doctor-who-style-crack-in-universe

Something felt just a bit off. This was Moffat wrapping up a lot of plot threads, so it was just a lot of, "Oh, that's how Silence Fell When The Question Was Asked," "That's how the Doctor's going to keep regenerating," "That's how the TARDIS blew up over three years ago." As they say, an answer is never as interesting as the question. I feel like Moffat was forced to wrap all these up. Pity it was Matt's final story. I would have loved to see him go out in a blaze of glory, rather than an old man causing an earth-shattering explosion.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:03 pm

I actually thought it was perfect. A good Christmas story, wrapped up Smiths tenure and a quick emotional shock for a rapid regeneration.

In all honesty, and no snark, what were you expecting to see?
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:14 pm

I voted good. I actually thought it was an interesting take on a regeneration story. Following from Day of the Doctor, it does feel slightly anti-climactic. It's a much smaller scale story in a lot of ways, and I'm sure that was intentional.

I really enjoyed the bit of fun between Clara and the 11th Doctor. I'm not quite sure I've warmed to Clara as an actual "real" person yet. She still feels too much like a template of the "perfect" companion. But, there's no denying she can be a lot of fun.
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Was it a triumph, like Day of the Doctor? I don't think so, but I thought it was still very enjoyable.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:28 pm

My six year old son and I loved it.... Amazing stuff!!

Very happy who fans here!
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:50 pm

Jonwes has pretty much summed up my thoughts. And I think there were just too many loose threads to try to wrap up in one story. Frankly, I am just glad they are done. Jenna and Matt are terrific together. I hope she has the same chemistry with Peter. But, now the next question I have to ask is....How did Gallifrey get unfrozen and in another universe to try to get through the crack?

Nice through back to The Five Doctors as well.

And I wish I could see through holographs, too.
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PostSubject: Re: S7E16: The Time of the Doctor [2013 Christmas Ep] (SPOILERS)   Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:05 pm

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 But, now the next question I have to ask is....How did Gallifrey get unfrozen and in another universe to try to get through the crack?  

Well, when the Doctor "froze" them in a moment of time, he shunted Gallifrey into another universe. So that's how it got there. They did explicitly state that in Day of the Doctor. But, the nature of "frozen" is strange. As we saw in "Day," the people in the slice of time are not actually frozen. 10, 11 and the War Doctor were able to move in the painting to escape, as did the Zygons. I think it's perhaps better to say that a little, tiny slice of time is captured. So, perhaps, actually there is a few minutes here or there they can operate within.
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