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PostSubject: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:32 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:35 pm

...what? Laughing
I could understand a thread like this for Turlough, but Adric? I thought it was pretty definite he was a friend, even if he was a rubbish one. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:10 pm

I think CA means do we like him or not. Razz

For me, I just think he was too whiny and annoying. Reminds me of Amy...
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:50 pm

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I think CA means do we like him or not. Razz

For me, I just think he was too whiny and annoying. Reminds me of Amy...

Wow,that is perfect! I can't believe I never made that connection before. There were times I liked both characters but,yes,they did get get very annoying and whiny at times.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:20 am

At least the only times Amy died it was because she loved Rory.

Adric died because he had to prove he was right.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:32 am

Adric dies so there was no way in Hades he could possibly come back!
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:51 am

Adric dies to kill the Dinosaurs. LOL.

Then the Doctor saves them in the future. But Adric is still dead!
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:41 am

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Adric dies so there was no way in Hades he could possibly come back!

Andric has come back on Big finish Audio

Adric appears in the Big Finish Productions audio drama The Boy That Time Forgot, and is portrayed by Andrew Sachs, where he was unintentionally saved by Block Transfer Computations subconsciously sent to him by the Doctor during a 'seance'; this caused him to be sent into a pocket dimension based on an Aztec jungle, populated primarily by giant scorpions and insects. Kept alive for centuries by the computations, Adric was eventually reunited with the Doctor and Nyssa when they sought the TARDIS after its theft by Thomas Brewster ("The Haunting of Thomas Brewster"). Driven insane by centuries of isolation and bitterness, Adric refused to accept The Doctor’s attempts to make him realise that he was now essentially just an elderly teenager, complaining when he didn’t get his way and believing that the world should jump to his every whim, attempting to force Nyssa to become his bride. The Doctor admits that he permitted Adric to die, only for Adric to forgive him and use the last of his strength to send his friends home and recover the TARDIS, before dying himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:37 am

I can go with some of the previous comments that Adric was not that bad when he was with the 4th Doc. But afterwards... ick.

Master's Sim City boy.
Suckered in by Monarch big time. Adric doesn't even realize the Doc is playing him later on either until the Doc outright tells him.
Plays along but fails to break the Doc out of jail, then almost wipes out the Kinda with the TSS.

Then you have his own personal attitude. Add in his 'women are inferior' view (which ticks off Tegan). Add in rationalizing away Nyssa's intelligence and competence so his women are inferior view still stands, and Nyssa is just a girl (which thrilled Nyssa, I'm sure)...

... and Adric is clueless why no one wants to spend time with him.

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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:28 am

Adric was a great concept. The bulk of the fans, at least back then, were kids. Yet almost all of the companions were adults. In comes Adric, who in many ways was just like the fans. There was certainly a group of fans sitting at home thinking "I'm good at math. I'm a bit awkward. Hey! That could be ME!"

Great potential. But perhaps not the best actor, and instead of being that person you wanted to be, he became a bit of a bothersome kid always getting into trouble.

I think a lot of that was due to having three companions. There just isn't enough for the Doctor plus three others to do. I think the Doctor works best with one companion - occasionally bumped up to two for variety - but when it reaches three, the characters suffer.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:43 pm

There's only room for one clever boy in the blue box.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:26 pm

He went from the Fourth Doctor's pupil to the Fifth Doctor's whipping boy.

I thought he was a pretty good companion to the Fourth Doctor. They had a very good rapport, even though Matthew and Tom did not, really.

Somehow, maybe it was the crowded Fifth Doctor's TARDIS, he became the companion to argue with and put down. I can't understand why he was written this way after the strong start in season 18 with Tom.

He did get an heroic sendoff, I thought.

Overall, I'm fine with Adric.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:29 am

He lacked the charm of Turlough.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:14 am

I always found Turlough rather creepy. Adric was more naive and innocent.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:28 am

I agree with that. For all the flak Adric gets, I liked him (mostly). Turlough gave me the willies.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:26 am

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I always found Turlough rather creepy. Adric was more naive and innocent.
Did not care for either of them. We lost Romana and got Adric, we lost Nyssa and got Turlough, not exactly equitable trades.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:07 pm

After reading these comments, I have realized that I did like Adric more with Tom than Peter. Which is odd, since he didn't get along with Tom that much. I read Mathew's book, and I really enjoyed it. You have to feel a bit sorry for the guy, who had loved the show for so long,and then was suddenly on it, only to feel the hate of those fans that he was a part of.

So, I started liking Adric in the beginning, only to just tolerate him at the end, but I did not cheer when he died. And I even made an action figure of him!

With the 4th Doctor and K-9:
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:47 pm

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And I even made an action figure of him!

And I love your action figure! Wish I had the skill and patience to make one myself.

And I do love Adric as a companion. I see his faults. I understand why others don't like him. And if I were to see him for the first time now, I'm not sure how I'd respond. But, as a teenager, I was rooting for him, so that fondness remains.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:25 pm

poor adric- he truly is the most maligned companion...
I think the main problem is that people do not like a young know it all-
but the truth is he was a very misunderstood, sensitive chap.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:00 am

greenk9 wrote:
poor adric- he truly is the most maligned companion...
I think the main problem is that people do not like a young know it all-
but the truth is he was a very misunderstood, sensitive chap.

You have a point, "young know it alls" are not very popular....look at Wesley Crusher.

I wonder why? Maybe they are too much like the sci-fi fans that watch them?

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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:12 am

Ronpur wrote:
greenk9 wrote:
poor adric- he truly is the most maligned companion...
I think the main problem is that people do not like a young know it all-
but the truth is he was a very misunderstood, sensitive chap.

You have a point, "young know it alls" are not very popular....look at Wesley Crusher.

I wonder why? Maybe they are too much like the sci-fi fans that watch them?


Poor writing.

Look at "The Battle" of TNG. Here's Mr. Wheaton's own words.
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In his online reviews of the TNG episodes, Wil Wheaton states that this is the episode in which Wesley went from, in Wheaton's own words, "mildly annoying to vehemently-hated character," talking about how having Wesley figure out the problem and the solution before the senior staff could was "perhaps the worst way to help the audience accept that this kid (Wesley) is going to be part of the main crew." Wheaton also remarked that the scene in sickbay where Wesley tells Crusher and Troi that he "glanced" at the scans while Dr. Crusher was researching them and, quote: "...in that brief moment, magically divined exactly what the rest of the professionally-trained crew – including the hypersmart robot – hadn't noticed: the patterns in Picard's scan are identical to the low-intensity transmissions picked up from the Ferengi ship. Wesley cements his relationship with Trekkies by muttering, "You're welcome, ladies... heh. Adults." after they leave the room. Oh, that's pure genius writing there, guys; that's not going to alienate a single fan. Bravo."

That's why Wesley was despised on the show in general. Same can probably go for Adric.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:24 am

That is just one example from an episode that was rather poor from every character's point of view. Wesley had some great episodes. And Adric had some very good moments with the 4th Doctor. There has to be something else. I really like Wesley, in the second season, when TNG began to get it's act together. Adric got less likeable, Wesley got more likeable for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:54 am

Ronpur wrote:
Adric got less likeable, Wesley got more likeable for me.

I would have to agree with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:06 pm

love wheaton on the Big Bang- after that I softened my opinion of wesley crusher!
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PostSubject: Re: Adric: Friend or Foe?   Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:37 pm

It's the same as Jonathan Brandis' character of Lucas on SeaQuest! He was the smart 16 year old that had it figured out before anyone else! The rest of the crew just stood behind him saying, "Duh, what do you think Lucas?"

The problem is not that they are young genius'. The problem is that they are written as young STAND ALONE genius' who cannot interract as part of the ensemble. They have to always make known that they are super intelligent and one step ahead of everyone else!

Now, contrast that with Deep Space Nine, where after several years we finally discovered that Julian Bashir had been genetically enhanced and was far more intelligent than the average human! He did not flaunt it, but he worked alongside the rest of the crew, using his intelligence to ADD to the group, not dominate it. He even 'held back' in some instances until he was specifically asked by another member to use his skills to support them

That is how the 'young genius' should be played. Not as a reminder that everyone else is dumber than them, but use what they have to feed and add to the group.
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