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The Doctor's Death, at the Lake, Never Happens.
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They Use a Flesh Body Cop Out.
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River Gave Him At Least One More Regeneration.
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The Time Lords are Coming Back.
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Everything has Its Time. Everything Dies.
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PostSubject: It Doesn't Add Up   Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:06 pm

I was just watch "Journey's End" and became aware of this: "The 10th Doctor regenerated but. remained the same". This was the 10th Regeneration. The 10th Doctor regenerated into the 11th Doctor. This was the 11th regeneration. According to the Who Universe, the Doctor HAS NO MORE REGENERATION LEFT. Shocked

According to the Who Universe: only the High Council of the Time Lords can give a Time Lord another Life Cycle. Like a Star @ heaven

I "just heard" Embarassed : It takes 6 to pilot the TARDIS. No wonder he is always rebuilding it.


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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:11 pm

12 regenerations equals 13 Doctors.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:15 pm

I could see this being involved in the anniversary episodes.


I think they only count it as a regeneration if the face changes. Atleast the show has shown us that.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:27 pm

KIRKESS wrote:
According to the Who Universe: only the High Council of the Time Lords can give a Time Lord another Life Cycle. Like a Star @ heaven
But was that something they actually did, or did they just let you regenerate 12 more times?
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:14 pm

Remember , the Doctor was shown GOING THRU A REGENERATION at the Lake. No more regeneration unless there is something new added to his regeneration Moffat has not parted to us yet. Idea

The events in "Journey's End" indicates the Doctor DID NOT want to change his body, therefore, he transfer the remaining energy to his hand. This sounds to me that he went thru a full regeneration.

The High Council only does it with a vote. Not all get another Life Cycle.


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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:29 pm

KIRKESS wrote:
Remember , the Doctor was shown GOING THRU A REGENERATION at the Lake. No more regeneration unless there is something new added to his regeneration Moffat has not parted to us yet. Idea

The High Council only does it with a vote. Not all get another Life Cycle.
The High Council isn't around anymore.

And Time can be rewritten.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:09 pm

still saying flesh body. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:47 am

The problem I see with a Program Matter Body is the Doctor becomes immortal. All he needs is a per-program Flesh Body in stasis and a neural circuit to hold his living mine. Instant Doctor - The Franchise Lives Forever??? Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:48 am

We know that it isn't a Flesh body because the Doctor from 'Closing Time' is the one that goes on to die. So unless the Doctor has been a flesh avatar all year, which would be a really crappy denouement for the story arc, then the murder has to be rewritten. So I vote that his death never happens somehow.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:50 am

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The problem I see with a Program Matter Body is the Doctor becomes immortal. All he needs is a per-program Flesh Body in stasis and a neural circuit to hold his living mine. Instant Doctor - The Franchise Lives Forever??? Basketball

But Matt Smith doesn't. Wink If they made a Flesh Body of the Doctor then surely it wouldn't regenerate because it isn't real?
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:52 am

But remember, River Song gave her remaining Regenerations to heal the Doctor. Who's to say that some of that leftover regeneration somehow restored his last few regenerations? He could even have a few more up his sleeve now.

I hope not though.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:53 am

"507"
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:52 am

jaredofmo wrote:
"507"

Thank you Sarah Jane! And River's regenerations. Not even worth worrying about.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:29 am

Maybe this was from the Virgin NAs, but wasn't there something established where the Council was actively limiting regenerations to 12 to prevent Time Lords being immortal? With Gallifrey and the Council gone, whose to say that the Doctor doesn't have limitless regenerations?
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:48 pm

I've yet to see the episode, but wasn't there a "throw-away" line in the Sarah Jane Adventures episode "Death of the Doctor" when Matt Smith (in character) casually suggests he now has seemingly unlimited regenerations? No explanation as to why, just that he does.

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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:17 pm

Redfern wrote:
I've yet to see the episode, but wasn't there a "throw-away" line in the Sarah Jane Adventures episode "Death of the Doctor" when Matt Smith (in character) casually suggests he now has seemingly unlimited regenerations? No explanation as to why, just that he does.

Sincerely,

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Yup! that was what Jared was referring to.

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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:24 pm

My impression of the Who Universe is that it took "Time Lord" science to give a Time Lord a new life cycle. The High Council offered a new life cycle to the Master in the "5 Doctors". They gave the Master a new life cycle as reveal in the two part last of the Time Lords episodes. The Master tried to control the "Eye of Harmony" for another regeneration. I don't remember the name of that episode - it was the one in which the President was assassinated and introduced the matrix in which Time Lords living minds are placed. sunny

I don't recall any details of the "Sarah Jane Adventures". Does this mean he controls the "Eye of Harmony"?? Is the "Eye of Harmony" in all Space and Time and not locked in. One Dalek was able to penetrate the Time Lock. Is the "eye of Harmony" that special plot vehicle not yet reveal??

The same Doctor for eternity. The same program matter body and the same living mind. Does this mean the Doctor becomes a CGI character? Sad
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:35 pm

KIRKESS wrote:
My impression of the Who Universe is that it took "Time Lord" science to give a Time Lord a new life cycle. The High Council offered a new life cycle to the Master in the "5 Doctors". They gave the Master a new life cycle as reveal in the two part last of the Time Lords episodes. The Master tried to control the "Eye of Harmony" for another regeneration. I don't remember the name of that episode - it was the one in which the President was assassinated and introduced the matrix in which Time Lords living minds are placed. sunny

I don't recall any details of the "Sarah Jane Adventures". Does this mean he controls the "Eye of Harmony"?? Is the "Eye of Harmony" in all Space and Time and not locked in. One Dalek was able to penetrate the Time Lock. Is the "eye of Harmony" that special plot vehicle not yet reveal??

The same Doctor for eternity. The same program matter body and the same living mind. Does this mean the Doctor becomes a CGI character? Sad

That would be bad. That's extremely very not good! No Crying or Very sad Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:36 pm

"Deadly Assassin" is the story you are thinking of.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:38 pm

I had to search "Sarah Jane Adventures" and yep there were more episodes than the one season on SciFi channel. My bad for posting this topic. Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:43 pm

How to explain "507" regenerations:

The limit must have been expanded during the Time War.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:15 pm

Between writing a Finite State Machine for a friend's project and watching The Next Doctor, I just heard a reference to the Next Doctor or A FUTURE DOCTOR. It just clicked what this was a reference to.

The Next Executive Producer of Doctor Who needs to do more with the Time War. alien
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:47 pm

Nah, don't tell us what happened in the Time War. Anyway, it makes a nice excuse for things they want to change up.
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:19 pm

If the Doctor dies, who is that in a ********* in the christmas episode?. santa
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PostSubject: Re: It Doesn't Add Up   Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:21 pm

Russell T Davis said he included only as a joke.

If you look at the scene, it is an extremely stressful situation, so I somehow doubt the Doctor was being serious when he said 507.
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