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PostSubject: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:52 pm

I've never seen this Pertwee story (that won't stop me from ordering it along with the TV Movie Very Happy ). I was just wondering, for those who have seen it, what your opinions are?
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:54 pm

I find most people rank it pretty low, but I enjoy it. It is Pertwee, after all. It does tend to move a little slowly. Definitely not the best but a fun mediocre story.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:55 pm

rdks wrote:
I find most people rank it pretty low, but I enjoy it. It is Pertwee, after all. It does tend to move a little slowly. Definitely not the best but a fun mediocre story.

Cool - thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:05 pm

This is one I'm wanting to see. I have read it is "underrated" somewhat. It sure sounds like a mediocre one, but sometimes those can be very entertaining!
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:10 pm

I just realized I haven't watched it in ages! I'm gonna go watch it now and give you a proper opinion, but I'll probably say "it was awesome because it had Pertwee in it".
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:13 pm

rdks wrote:
"it was awesome because it had Pertwee in it".

rdks and I share the same brain, apparently...
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:14 pm

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rdks wrote:
"it was awesome because it had Pertwee in it".

rdks and I share the same brain, apparently...

I agree. Pertwee is, by far, my favorite.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:19 pm

Indeed I agree, sir! I've said on many occasions that a weaker Pertwee story is still better than a few Doctor's entire repertoire.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:20 pm

rdks wrote:
I find most people rank it pretty low, but I enjoy it. It is Pertwee, after all. It does tend to move a little slowly. Definitely not the best but a fun mediocre story.

I'd go along with that.

The plus to me for Mutants was Prof. Sondergaard. I really liked his character.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:21 pm

I really enjoy Pertwee, but if this was one of the missing stories it wouldnt be a bad thing. The sets are really cheap, think The Tomorrow People, the acting is really over the top, and if they hacked it from six to three, yes THREE episodes they wouldnt lose a thing! The only redeeming factor are the mutts.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:23 pm

Agreed, Angel. John Hollis is always good. Also loved Paul Whitsun-Jones as the Marshall. Pity Geoffrey Palmer wasn't in it more as he is always quality, too.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:38 pm

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....a weaker Pertwee story is still better than a few Doctor's entire repertoire.
So true, especially after this past year...
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:11 pm

Didn't some people say that the Time Monster was a weak story? I watched it for the first time when I purchased the DVD - a little slow, but I still enjoyed it. I'm sure I will like The Mutants as well. I mean, c'mon, it HAS to be better than Time and the Rani right? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:13 pm

I am on episode three right now, and I can honestly say, most of what has happened so far could have been condensed into one episode.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:16 pm

If you survived The Time Monster, you'll definitely enjoy The Mutants. I'm watching it right now, just finishing episode 2, and I'm having a blast. I remembered the basic plot but forgot a lot of the little things. The music is a little irritating though.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:19 pm

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I am on episode three right now, and I can honestly say, most of what has happened so far could have been condensed into one episode.

Wow - this is a six parter correct? Sounds like a case of 'padding' in order to fulfill the entire six episode story. No worries though, looking forward to watching it regardless. I'm glad to see that there are more Pertwee stories coming out this year. Even though this is the only one that I haven't seen from the planned releases for 2011, it's been a long time since I've seen the others.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:21 pm

If they had hacked off two episodes from The Mutants, and two episodes from The Time Monster, not only could we have had another story, but these two stories would have been much improved by taking out all the padding.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:22 pm

Whoosier Whovian wrote:
I am on episode three right now, and I can honestly say, most of what has happened so far could have been condensed into one episode.
Yes, but you could also make that argument with Frontier in Space, Colony in Space, The Armageddon Factor, or just about any other 6-parter.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:25 pm

The Green Death comes to mind as one that could have been 4 parts
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:15 pm

Wow, I just finished watching the Mutants this morning. As with any classic, I broke it up into 2 sittings, they work better that way. I is not my favorite Pertwee. But it has a moral to the story, critical of colonialism. As for the sets, I find it odd that the modern series likes to go find a warehouse or factory and redress it for anything. And there are hardly any futuristic costumes designed. Something that the "low budget, cheap looking" classic series did every week. And the Mutts are effective aliens, just not sure how well they work as part of this story.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:16 pm

rdks wrote:
Whoosier Whovian wrote:
I am on episode three right now, and I can honestly say, most of what has happened so far could have been condensed into one episode.
Yes, but you could also make that argument with Frontier in Space, Colony in Space, The Armageddon Factor, or just about any other 6-parter.

I wish they had tried more 5 part episodes. That would have stretched the budget, and tightened up the stories a lot better.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:07 pm

Just read 2 interesting tidbits on The Mutants wikipedia page -

"This serial is mentioned in Salman Rushdie's controversial novel The Satanic Verses, where it is criticized for alleged racist attitudes. Writers Bob Baker and Dave Martin, as well as producer Barry Letts, actually intended for the story to have an anti-racist message."

and

"So powerful was this story's condemnation of the policy of Apartheid in South Africa, many polytechnic student unions renamed buildings "Bob Baker and Dave Martin House", in honour of its writing team."

neat-o.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:44 pm

rdks wrote:

"This serial is mentioned in Salman Rushdie's controversial novel The Satanic Verses, where it is criticized for alleged racist attitudes. Writers Bob Baker and Dave Martin, as well as producer Barry Letts, actually intended for the story to have an anti-racist message."

What content in it can be called racist or anti-racist?
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PostSubject: Re: The Mutants   Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:52 pm

After reading into the subject, it appears wikipedia was wrong (or, I should say, the person who placed that paragraph on wikipedia was wrong).

For more information regarding this, read this article.
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