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PostSubject: Liz Shaw   Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:12 pm

I have so say that Liz Shaw needs more recognition for being a great companion/assistant. Apart from Romana, who is a Time Lord like the Doctor, she is the only one of his companions who are close to being his equal as a scientist. She was perhaps not the kind of companion the kiddies could relate to, but for a sci-fi show she was superb. She never went screaming about Autons, Silurians, or any of the other crises in her brief tenure on the show. The TARDIS didn't even rattle her. Sure she was skeptical about these things, but approached them all as a scientist. She was always the capable assistant the Doctor needed at UNIT. I'm very fond of Jo and Sara Jane is the real benchmark for companions, but Liz was Pertwee's best companion ever. Don't believe me? Just revisit her stories - especially "Ambassadors of Death" or "Inferno." Hell, you might as well go ahead and watch "Spearhead from Space" and "Silurians" while you're at it and be done with it.! They're fantastic, too!
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:26 pm

Oh, I agree about Liz! I think she gets overlooked. I think partly because she was on for so few stories she gets overshadowed by Jo. But she was quite a modern sort of companion and a nice foil for Pertwee I thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:06 am

yeah i totally agree she was by far doctor whos most positive role model for women. smart, sexy, reacted with horror to horrible things but didnt turn into a sniffilling whiney female. no wonder they got rid of her as fast as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:42 am

As a kid who was obsessed with actual science as well as science fiction, I always really liked Liz. A lot of my favorite fictional characters have been scientists.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:59 pm

Yes, much love for Liz... and other brains too (Zoe, Nyssa...)

Such a shame that the highly intellegent female companions tend to suffer...

1) being written out because 'we need companions to use for exposition'. If the companion is pretty much on the same level as the Doctor, then the Doctor has no one he needs to explain everything to... and the writers want that in there for the sake of the audience being able to understand what is going on.

2) starting off strong, but then the writers degenerate them over time to where they mearly serve typical plot elements: scream queen, damsel in distress, etc. and their intelligence or profession just goes out the window. Sometimes it will pop back up again, but only if needed by the current plot.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:42 am

Unfortunately, I think that reflects more on the nature of the TV audience than it does on the writers. Most writers would prefer a smart, confident character...but network execs (whether in the UK or anywhere else) like their programming easily palatable by the widest number of possible viewers, and many of those viewers demand that exposition you mentioned.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:35 am

and how cute was she in, inferno? i never knew nazi's could be hot! changed my life.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:46 pm

Loved the miniskirt and boots in "Ambassadors of Death," too. Smokin' hot! And a brainy scientist to boot! Brilliant!
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:39 pm

I loved liz too- my favorite episode with her was inferno- good girl, bad girl. The producer/directors were hard on her...but she said that Pertwee was a true gentleman and always treated her right.
She did alot of her own stunts...even though she was pregnant at the time!

Speaking of ambassadors- I wonder when will they ever release the dvd?
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:18 am

greenk9 wrote:
I loved liz too- my favorite episode with her was inferno- good girl, bad girl. The producer/directors were hard on her...but she said that Pertwee was a true gentleman and always treated her right.
She did alot of her own stunts...even though she was pregnant at the time!

Speaking of ambassadors- I wonder when will they ever release the dvd?
It would be relativley easy to do colour recovery on....
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:33 pm

I actually preferred Liz Shaw to Jo Grant from the get go. I guess they needed someone less smarter so that the Doctor would have to explain things to and to be more in sync with a younger audience. At least we had Liz in my favorite JP eppie Inferno.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:52 pm

Just thought I'd give this a bump. I watched Inferno last night and I felt like I needed to bring her discussion up again.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:59 pm

She is amazing, right from the beginning, the Doctor's equal in every way. Which, I suppose, was her downfall.

But, at least she gets to hang out on the Moonbase!! I imagine her up there on the Moonbase from UFO, in tight silver spacesuit, with a purple wig!!
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:03 pm

Always time for Liz to get love...
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:16 pm

SeaDevil wrote:
Just thought I'd give this a bump. I watched Inferno last night and I felt like I needed to bring her discussion up again.

heh, I just noticed this thread. Thought it was interesting since just yesterday I started a list on the top ten thread of our favorite underrated characters, and Liz was the one I started out with


Lots of love for her character, definitely
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:21 pm

That's kinda why I rewatched Inferno and resurrected the thread. I suppose I should thank you for bringing her up again so that others can join in the love for Liz.

I like to occasionally look at old threads anyhow to see what can be discussed anew. Sometimes I get a little disappointed that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of discussion of Who and why we all love it.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:15 pm

SeaDevil wrote:
That's kinda why I rewatched Inferno and resurrected the thread. I suppose I should thank you for bringing her up again so that others can join in the love for Liz.

I like to occasionally look at old threads anyhow to see what can be discussed anew. Sometimes I get a little disappointed that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of discussion of Who and why we all love it.

Well, you're welcome! In fact, it makes me want to re-watch Inferno as well, it's so brilliant.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:08 pm

I rewatched Spearhead from Space and listened to Carrie's and Nick's commentary track for the first time while I watched. Good stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:11 pm

My wife is getting me an autographed pic of Caroline John for my birthday. Its the shot of the Brig, Third Doctor, and Liz walking along the Thames, in color. She asked what I wanted, so I found this and said, "THAT!" Bless her heart. Love to the missus!
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:48 pm

I must resurrect this thread! Watching "Ambassadors of Death" and it's so refreshing to see such a helpful, involved companion. Love for Liz!
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:58 pm

To me, Liz will always be my fav for Doc 3 era companion cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:09 pm

Yes indeed. Love for Liz Shaw and the wonderful Caroline John who played her.
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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:34 pm

Ahhh.....lovely...

Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Liz Shaw   Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:15 pm

Yes! Seriously, how could you not love that! Beauty and Brains!!
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