412: The Stolen Earth

Age : 35 Joined : 19 Jun 2007 Posts : 241

412: The Stolen Earth

Please keep in mind that that this episode has already aired in the UK. This thread will probably contain LOTS of spoilers. If you don't want to ruin the fun, you may want to come back once the episode airs on SciFi in a few weeks.

The above is the usual warning, but I want to add that this episode is the first of the two part season finale, so please, please do not read or consider reading or posting in here until you've seen this episode as there will be lots and lots and lots of spoilers being discussed by those who have seen it. You have been overly warned.
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It was like a fan fiction! A glorious fan fiction!

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I'm happy and sad!
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Not yet, too soon, not yet. Please tell me it's some kind of alternate universe thing. If it's not, then my god, did the production team pull off a small miracle keeping THAT secret and if so, BRAVO to them!!!

Can I jump ahead to next Saturday right now please?

Age : 35 Joined : 19 Jun 2007 Posts : 241

Definitely mixed thoughts as to this ep. I loved the flow, story was really well written and certainly brings the season's little clues all togethor. Loved it and hated it when it came to the end of it. Certainly raised questions of what will happen now. Following is definitely spoiler related, but as it says up above, if your reading this without seeing it, you can expect spoilers.

Medusa cascade...out of sync...out of time??? So if that's true then do events that occur already become negated when they occur? Maybe any "changes" would be to, and in rela tion to those "changes" I wonder if anything can be taken from the hand glowing? Last time they showed that was in the Doctor's daughter, and yet Jenny was still Jenny in the end...I wonder. Otherwise, credit to RTD for the "No, that can't happen" moments in the ending. Best line for me was the discussion about Kaan's temporal shift. Makes a whole lot of what if's.
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I'm the Doctor. I'm a Timelord. I'm from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterborous. I'm 900 and 3 years old and I'm the man who's gonna save YOUR lives and ALL 6 billion people on the planet below......You got a problem with that? Voyage of the Damned

Age : 38 Joined : 01 Feb 2007 Posts : 873

"Harriet Jones, former Prime Minister" Well done!!

I hope they come out with a Wilfred Mott action figure with paint gun accessory.

And Dalek Caan, as the Doctor would say, "I'm sorry, I'm soo sorry"

Joined : 03 Jun 2007 Posts : 3

... have him

Spoiler:
	regenerate into the same body. Romana had control over hers, he could exercise that control this time perhaps. You know, just for the comfort of his companions/the audience.

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I'm just going to repost what I wrote somewhere else.

Spoiler:

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Sarah jane smith traveled with the doctor longer than any of the current companions and knows him better than they do. she brings great experience in many species including the daleks. In an interview in an upcoming mag liz states might be her last meeting with the doctor. also with new honcho prob taking the show off in different directions it is nice to wrap up everyones story and give a fresh start in 2010!I'D rather have sarah jane back than martha and jack!

Age : 35 Joined : 19 Jun 2007 Posts : 241

Mr Copper...who is this mysterious man for whom the Mr Copper foundation was formed and went on to create the subwave network? A network to contact those who know the doctor to work togethor to contact him? Who is Mr Copper?!
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I'm the Doctor. I'm a Timelord. I'm from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterborous. I'm 900 and 3 years old and I'm the man who's gonna save YOUR lives and ALL 6 billion people on the planet below......You got a problem with that? Voyage of the Damned

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Age : 37 Joined : 02 Feb 2007 Posts : 140

I keep thinking the "regeneration" is some kind of red herring. The whole season the Doctor has been preaching to Donna about "Making Choices", and "I can't change History". I think this'll hafta come into play next week.
All in all it was a pretty good romp, and I can't wait untill next Saturday...For Journey's End...

Age : 38 Joined : 01 Feb 2007 Posts : 873

Mr Copper was in Voyage of the Damned, the actor plays Richard on Keeping up appearances and was also Jobel in Revelation of the Daleks.

One site actually has some photos of The Tenth Doctor in both of his outfits, blue and brown in the next episode being filmed at 'bad wolf bay'

Mind you, these are just rumors, and like the Harriet Jones is the Supreme Dalek rumor should be taken with a big grain of salt.

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This was not an episode, this was an EVENT!

The show beat all other UK TV shows by two million to be top of the ratings for Saturday. TWO MILLION! How many other sci-fi shows can say that!

Superb, astounding, uber fan fiction....

Here is my full review - spoilers obvioulsy so please don;t read if you don't want to know!

http://www.telewatcher.com/Science-Fiction/Doctor-Who/The-Stolen-Earth-Doctor-Who-Series-4-Episode-12.152805

Tal x

Age : 37 Joined : 20 Oct 2007 Posts : 288

well I was in ireland lst week and this Saturday I raced back to my hotel at 7 and the stolen earth was on! I could not sleep after this...I really do not believe the regeneration to be a new doc...why? Photos of tennant with the fella from life on mars with cyberman and also photos of tennant in a blue suit on the beach talking to rose. In doomsday he had on a brown suit. Also there are press photos of jackie and mickey...along with ten, sarah, jack and rose. So on this thought I will sleep tonight.

Sorry to be ashamedly blunt, but what a fan happy fest....loved it, worried, sniffled and dropped my jaw...good stuff this!

Joined : 01 Sep 2007 Posts : 349

Brilliant episode! Best in the series! I loved the way the Doctor was so close to getting to Rose. Brilliant cliffhanger - Regeneration!

Joined : 01 Sep 2007 Posts : 349

Right, here are my theories:

Spoiler:
	1. Harriet Jones was not exterminated, the computer was blown up because the screen went off and she's taken by the 2. When the Dalek shot the Doctor, it hit the left of the Doctor's body, but didn't hit full on, and would only hit one heart, he starts to regenerate but the shot didn't hit him fully so he can't, this could be true since there have been rumours of a 'botched' regeneration.

Age : 37 Joined : 03 Oct 2007 Posts : 61

You can find the trailer for "Journey's End" by

CLICKING HERE

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All I can say about this eppie was wow. It was brilliant. Not since the series 2 two-parter finale have I been so hyped for the next episode to get here already (the only downside that we have to wait for Christmas for the next episode then only specials next year). Not only did it kick butt in the UK ratings (as taliesyn30 noted above) but it got its highest AI rating ever. I just hope we are not let down.

Age : 37 Joined : 20 Oct 2007 Posts : 288

o.k....theories here...
tardis is red in the ep turn left- ala paradox machine from sound of drums hmmmm
master had ol' bubbly hand in Utopia- hmmmm
are we going to get a clone doc...hmmm
or a new master? hmmmmm
as stated in turn left...Donnas chance meetings with the doc seem to be arranged- is Donna good? hmmmmm. Or is she the key to bringing the doc back? hmmmmmmmmm
She also seems very attuned to the doc...can she be like the watcher...hmmmm
Is she from earth? hmmmmmm
song will end soon? hmmmmmm
A companion will die...is Donna too obvious? hmmmm
Who then? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

So many possibilities-
As for bad wolf...Rose seems hardened...is she Rose? hmmm.
The main meat is about making the right or left (pardon the pun) decisions.
Botched regenerations...are we going to see an 8, 7, 6, 5 or 4 doc..then back to a ten.
Guessing into thin air...I will be wrong...hope it is not the ol' reset sci fi ending. Now I'm going to read the Sun and the Mirror to get the proper predictions...just kidding.

Joined : 01 Feb 2007 Posts : 217

If he doesn't actually regenerate, I will be upset. It's time. He's done a ton of stories, has been an excellent Doctor, but now it's time for a change, and he's been mortally wounded. It would be the biggest surprise of the whole series so far if they could regenerate him into a new Doctor and no one knew.

As for the episode, it dealt with a lot of different threads, but it handled them well. I was explaining a few things to my girlfriend, like who Sarah Jane was, but the rest made sense to her, and she's not a big Who fan.

I don't think we've seen the end of the Shadow Proclamation, and they are the means to fix the earth by the end. Judoon vs the Daleks would be great.

And this is the best Davros has been since Genesis of the Daleks. He looks and sounds just right.

Age : 37 Joined : 02 Feb 2007 Posts : 140

I don't know what has happened to Billie Piper's Mouth. There were times during TURN LEFT and STOLEN EARTH where she was talking, but it just sounded like a garbled mumble. She doesn't seem able to open her mouth. It's like she has her jaw wired shut (one can dream), or she's biting the insides of her cheeks while she delivers her lines.
I never really liked Rose to begin with (too needy), but she has now had some kind of surgery to make her mouth resemble a Silurian, and that's just weird. I kind of wish RTD'd have the ba**s to just kill her off once and for all. Alternate Universe?! C'mon! Gimmie a break!

Age : 35 Joined : 04 Feb 2007 Posts : 435

From all the fantastic predictions, I was thinking, is this actually a parallel universe we're seeing here, or is it a dream of sorts?
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Age : 38 Joined : 01 Feb 2007 Posts : 873

Could the faithful companion be .... The TARDIS itself? there had been rumors regarding a new design to it, not to mention it is on fire in the final episode.

Just a thought